Comments on: Moped and Motorized Bicycles in Arizona http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/ Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:59:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Troy Dixon http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-621 Troy Dixon Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:26:49 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-621 <p>So does this mean as long as you don't exceed 20 mph you can ride a motor assisted bike or is it up to the cop that may see you?</p> <p><em> <p>Yup, in AZ, and as long as you meet the other requirements (e.g. engine size), and otherwise not doing anything illegal</p> <p></em></p> So does this mean as long as you don’t exceed 20 mph you can ride a motor assisted bike or is it up to the cop that may see you?

Yup, in AZ, and as long as you meet the other requirements (e.g. engine size), and otherwise not doing anything illegal

]]> By: David http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-604 David Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:26:28 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-604 <p>Check out a awesome forum about motorized bicycles. <a href="http://Motorbicycling.com" rel="nofollow">Motorbicycling.com</a> Very helpful and NICE members, from building a MB to buying a MB, to maintenece, to modify. Everything you need to know about MB's can be found at motorbicycling.com.</p> Check out a awesome forum about motorized bicycles. Motorbicycling.com Very helpful and NICE members, from building a MB to buying a MB, to maintenece, to modify. Everything you need to know about MB’s can be found at motorbicycling.com.

]]> By: David http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-417 David Sat, 03 May 2008 04:30:18 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-417 RIGHT ON TOM!!!! I agree with you 100% Could not have said it better myself. RIGHT ON TOM!!!! I agree with you 100% Could not have said it better myself.

]]> By: tom white http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-197 tom white Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:15:39 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-197 just to throw a different perspective.i have developed a few bicycles with motors on them .i rode my latest for several months at least 20 miles a day six days a week.it,s capable of nearly 40 miles an hour.i made it that way for survival. the law,forcing a human on a lightweight bicycle to 20 mph is a death sentence.all of this crap is over a poor human wanting to try to keep up with society with limited funds.taking a bus in phoenix sucks as well as waiting in the sun for countless amounts of time in summer.sometimes it's full past capacity.actually often too full. i say for myself; i'm getting tired of being restricted by ridiculous laws.what would it hurt to go the speed limit on a bicycle.putting a person on a bicycle at 20 mph;in front of many tons of rolling steel is flippin stupid. i tend to believe that a lawmaker in general ,doesnt ever pedal a bike,or worry about survival. i predict that us poor folks are going to have to rise and get crazy on the system throw these idiots out and give the country a tune up.it's getting so theres nothing to lose.i'm lucky the cop thats on me;is'nt ticketing me. heres an idea."LEGALISE FREEDOM". or risk the eventuality that us americans(who will fight)might take over and ruin the soft and easy careers enjoyed at our expence. i'm going to break the law today and ride my " MB" to work.SCREW EVERYBODY. just to throw a different perspective.i have developed a few bicycles with motors on them .i rode my latest for several months at least 20 miles a day six days a week.it,s capable of nearly 40 miles an hour.i made it that way for survival. the law,forcing a human on a lightweight bicycle to 20 mph is a death sentence.all of this crap is over a poor human wanting to try to keep up with society with limited funds.taking a bus in phoenix sucks as well as waiting in the sun for countless amounts of time in summer.sometimes it’s full past capacity.actually often too full.
i say for myself; i’m getting tired of being restricted by ridiculous laws.what would it hurt to go the speed limit on a bicycle.putting a person on a bicycle at 20 mph;in front of many tons of rolling steel is flippin stupid.
i tend to believe that a lawmaker in general ,doesnt ever pedal a bike,or worry about survival.
i predict that us poor folks are going to have to rise and get crazy on the system throw these idiots out and give the country a tune up.it’s getting so theres nothing to lose.i’m lucky the cop thats on me;is’nt ticketing me.
heres an idea.”LEGALISE FREEDOM”. or risk the eventuality that us americans(who will fight)might take over and ruin the soft and easy careers enjoyed at our expence.
i’m going to break the law today and ride my ” MB” to work.SCREW EVERYBODY.

]]> By: Stuart Anderson http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-97 Stuart Anderson Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:21:36 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-97 John T, you are as ignorant as the judge is in this matter. It might be a good idea to "know what you're talking about" before moving your fingers on the keyboard. The Scottsdale court is a kangaroo court. The cop LIED about speed, there was no speeding ticket nor any evidence of speed taken. The point is that the crooked cop testified under oath he was going to stop the rider the second time because he believed it was a moped riding in a bike lane. The officer still didn't know the law six months after it went into effect. During the second stop (by the same cop), in which Mr Livingston was arrested, it was recorded on digital tape. The word "speed" was not used once during the ordeal. The prosecution and officer, by their fabrication of the speed (which actually was never over 20 mph and there is no printout etc.), have used that as a smokescreen to hide the fact that Mr. Livingston was falsely arrested two times by the same cop. The cop's willfull negligence of knowing the law has caused this situation to exist. All I can say is when your in the city of Nazisdale, watch your six whatever your ride or drive. John T, you are as ignorant as the judge is in this matter. It might be a good idea to “know what you’re talking about” before moving your fingers on the keyboard. The Scottsdale court is a kangaroo court. The cop LIED about speed, there was no speeding ticket nor any evidence of speed taken. The point is that the crooked cop testified under oath he was going to stop the rider the second time because he believed it was a moped riding in a bike lane. The officer still didn’t know the law six months after it went into effect. During the second stop (by the same cop), in which Mr Livingston was arrested, it was recorded on digital tape. The word “speed” was not used once during the ordeal. The prosecution and officer, by their fabrication of the speed (which actually was never over 20 mph and there is no printout etc.), have used that as a smokescreen to hide the fact that Mr. Livingston was falsely arrested two times by the same cop. The cop’s willfull negligence of knowing the law has caused this situation to exist. All I can say is when your in the city of Nazisdale, watch your six whatever your ride or drive.

]]> By: FalconEV http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-61 FalconEV Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:17:41 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-61 A. It is a de-facto rule that law enforcement has control over anything powered by gasoline. Not in law, just generally speaking. Just like the unwritten assumption that law enforcement can never tell a lie. The law is cloudy and vague, thank god for that. Motorized bikes are not to be regulated in the first place. Unless you are of the notion that we should all be regulated like a heard of sheep. Which i agree, some humans are just that stupid. But the rest of us don't need regulating. The cop did not like the idea that he may not have a say so over a motorized bike rider. And, as we all know from the supreme court decision, a cop can arrest you for anything now. Welcome to the united states of arrestia. or the socialist states of america. Face it, there is a law against everything now, and you have no rights. The whole stupid 20mph law is to keep people driving cars. cars generate revenue for the govt. taxes, tickets, LOTS of traffic tickets, licenses, registration, insurance, gasoline tax revenue, parking fee's, etc. Bottom line, the local court will extract some amount of money from him, no matter what. that is the bottom line. And the bike rider needs to switch to an electric bike so as to not attract negative attention to himself. A. It is a de-facto rule that law enforcement has control over anything powered by gasoline. Not in law, just generally speaking. Just like the unwritten assumption that law enforcement can never tell a lie. The law is cloudy and vague, thank god for that. Motorized bikes are not to be regulated in the first place. Unless you are of the notion that we should all be regulated like a heard of sheep. Which i agree, some humans are just that stupid. But the rest of us don’t need regulating.
The cop did not like the idea that he may not have a say so over a motorized bike rider. And, as we all know from the supreme court decision, a cop can arrest you for anything now. Welcome to the united states of arrestia. or the socialist states of america. Face it, there is a law against everything now, and you have no rights.
The whole stupid 20mph law is to keep people driving cars.
cars generate revenue for the govt. taxes, tickets, LOTS of traffic tickets, licenses, registration, insurance, gasoline tax revenue, parking fee’s, etc.
Bottom line, the local court will extract some amount of money from him, no matter what. that is the bottom line.
And the bike rider needs to switch to an electric bike so as to not attract negative attention to himself.

]]> By: John T. http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-58 John T. Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:08:49 +0000 http://azbikelaw.org/blog/moped-and-motorized-bicycles-in-arizona/#comment-58 <p>I read this article elsewhere and the picture of the "motorized bicycle" doesn't match the description of the bike the man was riding during the traffic stop. ???? I can't believe this would be in the paper..the Arizona Republic must be desperate for stories. It's shameful. Criminals slandering cops. Obviously Steve Livingston doesn't know the law if he has broken it so many times by driving drunk. It takes several DUIs to have your license suspended. <em>[actually, that's not true, DUI penalties have become increasingly stiff: the minimum is 30 + 60 days suspension, see 28-1385(F)]</em> This guy is willing to take everyone elses lives in his hands by driving drunk but he thinks he should be in the paper as a victim???? I think if you have a suspended license you shouldn't be driving anything motorized because you are not responsible enough.</p> <p><em>azbikelaw responds: Thanks for you comments, John. First off -- I'm gonna say that the contraption probably SOUNDS like hell, and is a public auditory nuisance -- but that's not excuse to try and mis-apply traffic laws, if they don't apply.<br /> The picture in my paper showed a very fancy-looking "retro" cruiser style bicycle, the motor was attached just ahead of the rear wheel very low to the ground, it was b/w photo so I can't tell the color. But, the short answer is it looks like bicycle with a motor added to it. Did you read any of the legal stuff -- which is the whole point of MY article -- the legislation which defines a motorized bicycle is vague/loose/not well constructed. This creates a situation where the law needs to be interpreted by a judge... so we'll just have to wait and see what the judge decides. </em></p> I read this article elsewhere and the picture of the “motorized bicycle” doesn’t match the description of the bike the man was riding during the traffic stop. ???? I can’t believe this would be in the paper..the Arizona Republic must be desperate for stories. It’s shameful. Criminals slandering cops. Obviously Steve Livingston doesn’t know the law if he has broken it so many times by driving drunk. It takes several DUIs to have your license suspended. [actually, that’s not true, DUI penalties have become increasingly stiff: the minimum is 30 + 60 days suspension, see 28-1385(F)] This guy is willing to take everyone elses lives in his hands by driving drunk but he thinks he should be in the paper as a victim???? I think if you have a suspended license you shouldn’t be driving anything motorized because you are not responsible enough.

azbikelaw responds: Thanks for you comments, John. First off — I’m gonna say that the contraption probably SOUNDS like hell, and is a public auditory nuisance — but that’s not excuse to try and mis-apply traffic laws, if they don’t apply.
The picture in my paper showed a very fancy-looking “retro” cruiser style bicycle, the motor was attached just ahead of the rear wheel very low to the ground, it was b/w photo so I can’t tell the color. But, the short answer is it looks like bicycle with a motor added to it. Did you read any of the legal stuff — which is the whole point of MY article — the legislation which defines a motorized bicycle is vague/loose/not well constructed. This creates a situation where the law needs to be interpreted by a judge… so we’ll just have to wait and see what the judge decides.

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