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		<title>Comment on Who is at fault in a left-turn collision? by azbikelaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of this, of course, may only be applicable in Canada or Ontario even...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wheels.ca/columns/article/794879&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ERIC LAI SPECIAL TO THE STAR&lt;/a&gt;
Eric Lai answers your automotive questions every week for Wheels.

Q: My car was hit by an oncoming motor vehicle that broke a red light, while I was turning left. That was three years ago. Can you guide me in the right direction to resolve my dispute with the insurance company?

A: To oversimplify a complex issue, when a left-turn vehicle and straight-ahead vehicle collide, police can lay a charge against the turning driver who always has the onus to ensure the movement is done in safety.

If a straight-ahead driver runs a red light, they may also face charges. The difficulty here is that police require independent witnesses to &lt;strong&gt;establish that the light was red&lt;/strong&gt; (as both drivers will likely differ on this point), &lt;strong&gt;whereas the relative position of the vehicles alone is sufficient to determine that the left-turn driver made a turn and, since a collision resulted, it was therefore not done in safety&lt;/strong&gt;.

Police will often charge just one party as they’ll likely need the other to appear as a witness to prove the case. However, Toronto Police Sgt. Tim Burrows advises he’d charge both drivers in a serious collision, or at least consult with the crown prosecutor before making this determination.

Toronto insurance litigation lawyer Gregory Chang (www.bcbarristers.com) adds:... Usually, both drivers are held to be partially responsible and what differs from case to case is the degree of culpability assigned to each driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of this, of course, may only be applicable in Canada or Ontario even&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wheels.ca/columns/article/794879" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ERIC LAI SPECIAL TO THE STAR</a><br />
Eric Lai answers your automotive questions every week for Wheels.</p>
<p>Q: My car was hit by an oncoming motor vehicle that broke a red light, while I was turning left. That was three years ago. Can you guide me in the right direction to resolve my dispute with the insurance company?</p>
<p>A: To oversimplify a complex issue, when a left-turn vehicle and straight-ahead vehicle collide, police can lay a charge against the turning driver who always has the onus to ensure the movement is done in safety.</p>
<p>If a straight-ahead driver runs a red light, they may also face charges. The difficulty here is that police require independent witnesses to <strong>establish that the light was red</strong> (as both drivers will likely differ on this point), <strong>whereas the relative position of the vehicles alone is sufficient to determine that the left-turn driver made a turn and, since a collision resulted, it was therefore not done in safety</strong>.</p>
<p>Police will often charge just one party as they’ll likely need the other to appear as a witness to prove the case. However, Toronto Police Sgt. Tim Burrows advises he’d charge both drivers in a serious collision, or at least consult with the crown prosecutor before making this determination.</p>
<p>Toronto insurance litigation lawyer Gregory Chang (www.bcbarristers.com) adds:&#8230; Usually, both drivers are held to be partially responsible and what differs from case to case is the degree of culpability assigned to each driver.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is at fault in a left-turn collision? by azbikelaw</title>
		<link>http://azbikelaw.org/blog/who-is-at-fault-in-a-left-turn-collision/comment-page-1/#comment-13250</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ON THE TOPIC OF RED-LIGHT RUNNERS colliding with left-turners

&lt;em&gt;Smith v. Johnson&lt;/em&gt; involves a left turn at a NON-SIGNALIZED intersection, there was some &quot;waving on&quot; and also other vehicles that blocked the left-turner&#039;s line-of-sight. In other words, he was negligent.

In &lt;em&gt;Smith&lt;/em&gt;, &quot;it was impossible for him (the left-turner) to determine whether his path was clear. In other words, he admitted making a blind turn across traffic&quot;...

&quot;It is the prevailing rule, recognized in Arizona, that a breach of a statute intended as a safety regulation is not merely evidence of negligence but is negligence per se. Orlando v. Northcutt, 103 Ariz. 298, 300, 441 P.2d 58, 60 (1968); W. Prosser, Handbook of the Law of Torts ? 36 at 197-200 (4th ed. 1971)&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://az.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19830705_0040235.AZ.htm/qx &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brannigan v. Raybuck,136 Ariz. 513, 517, 667 P.2d 213, 217 (1983)&lt;/a&gt;.

So any red-light runner would also be in breach of a statute. So the negligence would be shared between the runner and the turner.

In the Arizona Attorney General&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;azbikelaw.org/cases/ars-28-772-left-turns.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Opinion No. 58-82&lt;/a&gt;, the question of what constitutes an immediate hazard are supposedly answered. The issue of signalized intersections isn&#039;t mentioned there, either. They point out, rather unhelpfully that &quot;the instruction to the jury on this question would in every case differ according to the facts of that case&quot; 

Interesting historical footnote, the version of 28-772 from the time of that opinion (1958) used to be longer, the last 40 or 50 words have since been lopped off.

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here&#039;s some more possibly juicy stuff from &lt;em&gt;Smith&lt;/em&gt; though this relates more to &quot;failure to control&quot; 28-701 cases:
&quot;In similar situations, courts have held that an unsighted driver cannot proceed while exercising due care. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://az.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19331010_0040026.AZ.htm/qx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Coe v. Hough, 42 Ariz. 293, 303-04, 25 P.2d 547, 550 (1933)&lt;/a&gt; (&#039;If an autoist cannot see where he is going he should stop. If his vision is limited he should have such control of his car as to be able to stop within the radius of his vision. If he violates these reasonable and sane rules and runs into someone who is at the time exercising reasonable care, he is, we think, guilty of legal negligence.&#039;);&quot;

In which they refer to this as the rule laid down in &lt;a href=&quot;http://az.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19310210_0040134.AZ.htm/qx&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dennis v. Stukey, 37 Ariz. 299, 294 P. 276&lt;/a&gt;; that is a driver must be able to stop within the radius of his vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ON THE TOPIC OF RED-LIGHT RUNNERS colliding with left-turners</p>
<p><em>Smith v. Johnson</em> involves a left turn at a NON-SIGNALIZED intersection, there was some &#8220;waving on&#8221; and also other vehicles that blocked the left-turner&#8217;s line-of-sight. In other words, he was negligent.</p>
<p>In <em>Smith</em>, &#8220;it was impossible for him (the left-turner) to determine whether his path was clear. In other words, he admitted making a blind turn across traffic&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the prevailing rule, recognized in Arizona, that a breach of a statute intended as a safety regulation is not merely evidence of negligence but is negligence per se. Orlando v. Northcutt, 103 Ariz. 298, 300, 441 P.2d 58, 60 (1968); W. Prosser, Handbook of the Law of Torts ? 36 at 197-200 (4th ed. 1971)&#8221; <a href="http://az.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19830705_0040235.AZ.htm/qx " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brannigan v. Raybuck,136 Ariz. 513, 517, 667 P.2d 213, 217 (1983)</a>.</p>
<p>So any red-light runner would also be in breach of a statute. So the negligence would be shared between the runner and the turner.</p>
<p>In the Arizona Attorney General&#8217;s <a href="azbikelaw.org/cases/ars-28-772-left-turns.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Opinion No. 58-82</a>, the question of what constitutes an immediate hazard are supposedly answered. The issue of signalized intersections isn&#8217;t mentioned there, either. They point out, rather unhelpfully that &#8220;the instruction to the jury on this question would in every case differ according to the facts of that case&#8221; </p>
<p>Interesting historical footnote, the version of 28-772 from the time of that opinion (1958) used to be longer, the last 40 or 50 words have since been lopped off.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>here&#8217;s some more possibly juicy stuff from <em>Smith</em> though this relates more to &#8220;failure to control&#8221; 28-701 cases:<br />
&#8220;In similar situations, courts have held that an unsighted driver cannot proceed while exercising due care. See <a href="http://az.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19331010_0040026.AZ.htm/qx" rel="nofollow">Coe v. Hough, 42 Ariz. 293, 303-04, 25 P.2d 547, 550 (1933)</a> (&#8216;If an autoist cannot see where he is going he should stop. If his vision is limited he should have such control of his car as to be able to stop within the radius of his vision. If he violates these reasonable and sane rules and runs into someone who is at the time exercising reasonable care, he is, we think, guilty of legal negligence.&#8217;);&#8221;</p>
<p>In which they refer to this as the rule laid down in <a href="http://az.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19310210_0040134.AZ.htm/qx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dennis v. Stukey, 37 Ariz. 299, 294 P. 276</a>; that is a driver must be able to stop within the radius of his vision.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 28-672 in the news by Allen Johnson @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://azbikelaw.org/blog/28-672-in-the-news/comment-page-1/#comment-13236</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Johnson @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if either of them were straddling lanes, they should have been cited for 28-729 and charged with 28-672 (a criminal offense; though minor, it seems like symbolically a big deal, plus contains potentially [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if either of them were straddling lanes, they should have been cited for 28-729 and charged with 28-672 (a criminal offense; though minor, it seems like symbolically a big deal, plus contains potentially [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Green Valley cyclist killed by Allen Johnson @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Johnson @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The picture above is near where, and representative of the roads where Allen Johnson (top) and Jerome Featherman (bottom) were killed. The top is clearly not a bike lane. The bottom clearly appears to be one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The picture above is near where, and representative of the roads where Allen Johnson (top) and Jerome Featherman (bottom) were killed. The top is clearly not a bike lane. The bottom clearly appears to be one [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Godaddy troubles, slow wordpress. Grid hosting solution? by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4GH has not improved things for me at all. I think it is time to switch. I have a custom PHP/MySQL implementation on GoDaddy that seems to run fine, but the two Wordpress implementations are shocking.

Did 4GH solve your problems or have you guys moved on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4GH has not improved things for me at all. I think it is time to switch. I have a custom PHP/MySQL implementation on GoDaddy that seems to run fine, but the two WordPress implementations are shocking.</p>
<p>Did 4GH solve your problems or have you guys moved on?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Queen Creek hit-and-run; driver arrested by Oft-delayed Foshee Trial to begin @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oft-delayed Foshee Trial to begin @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Much more background here and here. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Foshee Trial delayed again again again by Oft-delayed Foshee Trial to begin @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oft-delayed Foshee Trial to begin @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more background here and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sidewalk Cycling in Arizona by azbikelaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>azbikelaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was interesting in the sense that Police cited the motorist in a crosswalk collision. The relative positions in this crash were the same as in Maxwell. 
There is good discussion in the Tribune comments, they have city ordinances and so forth. However, nobody there, or at least not mentioned, knows about Maxwell.
Cyclist was &quot;counter-flow&quot;; and the cyclist and motorist were traveling in opposite directions, with cyclist traveling straight and motorist turning right.
Differences between Maxwell and this case would be that this happened at night; It&#039;s not stated whether or not the cyclist has a light; it&#039;s also not clear that cyclists in crosswalks are required to have a light at night (though it&#039;s clearly a good idea, for safety).

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/article_43400fd2-45ef-11e1-931b-0019bb2963f4.html

A 32-year-old man was killed after he was struck by a Nissan Pathfinder while riding his bicycle on Alma School Road near Guadalupe Road late Saturday.
The bicyclist, identified as Daniel Everlove, was pronounced dead at the scene after the Pathfinder driven by Levi Chappel struck his chopper bicycle at the intersection about 11 p.m.
The Pathfinder crashed into Everlove as Everlove was eastbound on the north sidewalk adjacent to Guadalupe and attempting to cross Alma School. Everlove was thrown from his bicycle.
Impairment or speed were not identified as factors in the crash, but Chappel was cited for failure to yield at an intersection, police said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was interesting in the sense that Police cited the motorist in a crosswalk collision. The relative positions in this crash were the same as in Maxwell.<br />
There is good discussion in the Tribune comments, they have city ordinances and so forth. However, nobody there, or at least not mentioned, knows about Maxwell.<br />
Cyclist was &#8220;counter-flow&#8221;; and the cyclist and motorist were traveling in opposite directions, with cyclist traveling straight and motorist turning right.<br />
Differences between Maxwell and this case would be that this happened at night; It&#8217;s not stated whether or not the cyclist has a light; it&#8217;s also not clear that cyclists in crosswalks are required to have a light at night (though it&#8217;s clearly a good idea, for safety).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/article_43400fd2-45ef-11e1-931b-0019bb2963f4.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/article_43400fd2-45ef-11e1-931b-0019bb2963f4.html</a></p>
<p>A 32-year-old man was killed after he was struck by a Nissan Pathfinder while riding his bicycle on Alma School Road near Guadalupe Road late Saturday.<br />
The bicyclist, identified as Daniel Everlove, was pronounced dead at the scene after the Pathfinder driven by Levi Chappel struck his chopper bicycle at the intersection about 11 p.m.<br />
The Pathfinder crashed into Everlove as Everlove was eastbound on the north sidewalk adjacent to Guadalupe and attempting to cross Alma School. Everlove was thrown from his bicycle.<br />
Impairment or speed were not identified as factors in the crash, but Chappel was cited for failure to yield at an intersection, police said.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stop Sign Compliance by azbikelaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thread from &lt;a href=&quot;http://knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov/cops/opspublic.nsf/discussionDisplay?Open&amp;id=B4E2E1248082272D8525748D00665CA9&amp;Group=Signs&amp;tab=DISCUSSION#B4E2E1248082272D8525748D00665CA9&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov&lt;/a&gt; discussion group:
Re: national project to support appropriate recognition of yield control
Dwight Kingsbury 07/21/2008
It&#039;s no secret that many low-volume, nominally &quot;stop-controlled&quot; intersections in the US operate effectively (more or less) as yield-controlled intersections.  Drivers on the stop-controlled approaches reduce speed to about 5-10 mph, scan for conflicting traffic, but tend to stop only when potentially conflicting traffic is visible....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thread from <a href="http://knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov/cops/opspublic.nsf/discussionDisplay?Open&#038;id=B4E2E1248082272D8525748D00665CA9&#038;Group=Signs&#038;tab=DISCUSSION#B4E2E1248082272D8525748D00665CA9" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov</a> discussion group:<br />
Re: national project to support appropriate recognition of yield control<br />
Dwight Kingsbury 07/21/2008<br />
It&#8217;s no secret that many low-volume, nominally &#8220;stop-controlled&#8221; intersections in the US operate effectively (more or less) as yield-controlled intersections.  Drivers on the stop-controlled approaches reduce speed to about 5-10 mph, scan for conflicting traffic, but tend to stop only when potentially conflicting traffic is visible&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ADOT&#8217;s Bicycle Safety Action Plan Study by 2010 FARS and PBcat @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>2010 FARS and PBcat @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arizona, ADOT as part of the BSAP has PBcatted 746 bike crashes in the &#8220;concentration&#8221; areas but it only covers the [...]</description>
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